![The Table Women Podcast](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4.jpg)
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A podcast by and about women in the entertainment industry that provides a fun, easygoing, and safe space to discuss the ups and downs of the female experience in entertainment. Whether we're telling stories with guests, chatting about new projects, or discussing how women can change (and have changed) the industry for the better, we aim to always provide an honest look into what it takes to get your seat at the table and pull up a chair for the next in line. Hosted by Sarah DeFors and Victoria Banks.
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![The Table Ep. 40 - Dr. Jada Watson on Women in Radio](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
4 days ago
4 days ago
Dr. Jada Watson returns to The Table Women to chat all about women in radio, including:
- How Jada found her passion for women in radio and later turned that into a career
- The evolution of her path and the history of radio charts
- How radio charts even work!
- Beyoncé, Country Music Radio, and backlash (or not?)
- The power of having data to back up what we experience
- The cost of having access to the facts
- We’re still going backwards for female representation in radio, what’s up?
- Tomato-gate and it’s impact
- History of Country Music and how we ended up here
- There are only ever 3 women “succeeding” at a time - wtf?!
- Barbie, women in pop music, politics, country music - weird connections!
- So how do we fix it?
- Jada’s own experiences with being targeted in retaliation for her work
- Seeing how being armed with information uplifts the next generations
- And more!
Jada’s website and other links:
Jada Watson, “‘Diversi’tea’: Spilling the Data on Inclusive Programming.” Presented at Country Radio Seminar, 1 March 2024.
Jan Diehm and Jada Watson, “They Won’t Play a Lady-O on Country Radio: Examining Back-to-Back Plays by Gender, Race, and Sexual Orientation.” The Pudding, 22 May 2023.
Jada Watson, “Redlining in Country Music 2.0: Representation in the Country Music Industry in 2021 and 2022.” SongData Reports; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, 17 March 2023.
NOTES:
Corb Lund: https://www.corblund.com/
Sarah Harmer: https://sarahharmer.com/
Loretta Lynn: https://lorettalynn.com/
Kitty Wells: https://www.kittywells.com/
Mickey Guyton: https://www.mickeyguyton.com/
Maren Morris: https://www.marenmorris.com/
Beyoncé: https://www.beyonce.com/
Beverly Keel chapter in A Boy Named Sue: Gender and Country Music: https://www.upress.state.ms.us/Books/A/A-Boy-Named-Sue
Lainey Wilson: https://www.laineywilson.com/home?page=1
Women In Music: https://www.womeninmusic.org/get-involved
Tomato-Gate (Keith Hill): https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/06/18/tomato-gate-galvanizes-women-country/28936501/
Jingoism: https://www.britannica.com/topic/jingoism
The Chicks: https://thechicks.com/
Robyn Ottolini: https://www.robynottolini.com/
Priscilla Block: https://www.priscillablock.com/
Jada’s Toronto Star Article: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/jason-aldean-s-try-that-is-now-no-1-on-the-charts-that-s-a/article_d88b19c8-5cd3-51b9-af43-fc75f98a5fab.html
Emily Yahr: “Tracy Chapman, Luke Combs and the Complicated Response to ‘Fast Car’.”
Sara Ahmed “Living a Feminist Life”: https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv11g9836
We Belmont: https://www.instagram.com/webelmont/
Rissi Palmer: https://rissipalmermusic.com/
Black Opry: https://www.blackopry.com/
Sasha: https://www.iamsacha.com/
Julie Williams: https://www.thisisjuliewilliams.com/about
Roberta Lea: https://www.iamrobertalea.com/
Joy Oladokun: https://www.joyoladokun.com/
Emma White: https://emmawhite.com/
Kelsea Ballerini: https://www.kelseaballerini.com/Cowboys-Cry-Too
Carly Pearce: https://www.carlypearce.com/#/
Allison Russell: https://allisonrussellmusic.com/
Carter Faith: https://www.carterfaith.com/
P.S. We discuss the initial reaction to Beyoncé releasing "Cowboy Carter" including the backlash, or what seemed to be backlash, from Country Music Radio. Sarah and Jada discussed videos online regarding radio stations claiming they won't play the record. We went back and were able to find content on the initial incident discussed, but we're still looking for videos describing other incidents. If you know of any information regarding people/stations being against playing "Cowboy Carter" please reach out and send them our way, we'd love to have them and share them with Jada!
![The Table Ep. 39 - Artist Manager Nicolette McCann](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday Jun 18, 2024
The Table Ep. 39 - Artist Manager Nicolette McCann
Tuesday Jun 18, 2024
Tuesday Jun 18, 2024
Artist Manager at Red Light Management Nicolette McCann joins us to chat about her journey with fellow The Table Women guest, artist BIZZY, and:
- How Nicolette found her niche and tried out different paths
- Small world connections and invisible strings that became the perfect launching pad for success
- The magic of being new and independent as a manager and an artist
- The growing pains of developing your career and navigating a relationship with your artists
- What it looks like trying to take an artist from viral to sustainable
- Navigating taking a career to the next level, personal vs. professional relationships, and more
- Knowing when to jump on board or leave an opportunity behind
- Getting started managing - where and how to begin
- Advice for artists, wannabe managers, and personal philosophies
- And more!
Red Light Management: https://www.redlightmanagement.com/
Nicolette: https://www.instagram.com/nicolettemccann/
BIZZY: https://www.srryimbizzy.com/about
Cousin Simple: https://www.cousinsimple.com/
![The Table Ep. 38 - Going Viral & Building a Career with BIZZY](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday May 21, 2024
The Table Ep. 38 - Going Viral & Building a Career with BIZZY
Tuesday May 21, 2024
Tuesday May 21, 2024
Viral artist and songwriter joins us to chat about:
BIZZY’s journey from wanting to be behind the song to on the stage
Going to school and taking a chance that launched her career
Going viral and turning it into a sustainable career
Finding the right career and team
What is tour like?!
The growing pains of being a young woman in music
Writing your authentic truth
How she deals with social media, having an audience, and haters
Staying grounded and sane
Dealing with fair-weather friends, success, and trusting your gut
Very important views on pickles
Notes:
Website: https://www.srryimbizzy.com/
Newest Release "When It Ends": https://open.spotify.com/track/1SOtN3lFMTNKrZQXDB1Ee8
Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@srryimbizzy
![The Table Ep. 37 - Outlaw Love with Artist-Songwriter Brooke Eden](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday Apr 23, 2024
The Table Ep. 37 - Outlaw Love with Artist-Songwriter Brooke Eden
Tuesday Apr 23, 2024
Tuesday Apr 23, 2024
We're back with season 4! Country Artist and Songwriter Brooke Eden sits down at the table to discuss her journey from playing hometown honkytonks to major stages, getting signed, the struggle of finding her voice, her love story with wife Hilary, coming out, and more!
Notes:
Brooke Eden: https://www.brookeeden.com/welcome/
Outlaw Love Album: https://brookeeden.lnk.to/OutlawLoveWE
“Outlaw Love” Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzskBIMVKT8
“All My Love” Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv2QMboZ_Lc
Ty Herndon: https://www.tyherndon.com/
Chely Wright: https://www.chely.com/
The Worst Witch: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092239/
![The Table Ep. 36 - Where Have We Been?! Mini Catch-Up with Sarah and Vic](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Friday Apr 19, 2024
The Table Ep. 36 - Where Have We Been?! Mini Catch-Up with Sarah and Vic
Friday Apr 19, 2024
Friday Apr 19, 2024
We're back! After time away Sarah and Vic discuss where they've been, what's been going on, and what's coming up, as well as sharing and answering the new rapid-fire questions!
Notes:
"When It Ends" by BIZZY: https://open.spotify.com/track/1SOtN3lFMTNKrZQXDB1Ee8?si=5wZvEivSS1eTlRG0wMmaPg&nd=1&dlsi=ccf2edbd08a74b14
Asleep At Last - Atlas Enneagram for Enneagram 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HM5Hqq2P2Y
Soul contract book, "Journey of Souls": https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Souls-Studies-Between-Lives/dp/1567184855
![The Table Ep. 35 - Management and A&R - Sarah Stickle](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday Nov 08, 2022
The Table Ep. 35 - Management and A&R - Sarah Stickle
Tuesday Nov 08, 2022
Tuesday Nov 08, 2022
Sarah and Vic sit down with Management and A&R at Born & Raised Entertainment and TwentySeven Music Publishing Sarah Stickle to discuss:
- Finding your niche and using varied experience to your advantage
- The satisfaction of seeing things through start to finish, and celebrating your wins!
- Diversity in the industry and how it varies from location, genre, and area of the industry
- How underpaying songwriters is a feminist issue
- How gender roles and capitalism make it harder to create change
- Performative allyship - Are the changes we’re seeing long-term?
- Being a queer woman in the music industry
- The intersection of gender, race, and sexuality
- Advocating for your peers and creators, and helping others do the same
- The difference in community and creativity between Nashville and LA
- The importance of having peers and a team that fights for you
Notes:
Jason Bernard - https://variety.com/2018/music/news/pulse-music-group-jason-bernard-1203021768/
Kobalt - https://www.kobaltmusic.com/
Some of Sarah’s recent wins and artists/songs discussed:
- Signing Brian Brundage for management (Tai Verdes' "A-O-K", Rhys Lewis, Maddie Zahm)
- Cuts she helped to secure:
- 44Phantom ft. Machine Gun Kelly single "don't sleep, repeat"
- Hayley Kiyoko's "for the girls" - which was also featured in the new Netflix film Do Revenge
- Sofia Carson's "Loud"
- Procured the mix for Kane Brown's single "Grand" (mixed by Adam Hawkins)
- Ryan Daly - The new John Legend single "Wonder Woman", the forthcoming Fitz & The Tantrums album, and the current DNCE single
![The Table Ep. 34 - What’s up with Gen Z & Social Media?](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday Oct 11, 2022
The Table Ep. 34 - What’s up with Gen Z & Social Media?
Tuesday Oct 11, 2022
Tuesday Oct 11, 2022
Sarah and Vic discuss the gap in understanding between older generations and Gen Z, and Social media, via first-person concerns gathered anonymously from college students, listeners, and viral artists.
Topics include:
What happens when the gatekeepers try to jump on the bandwagon
Trusting your creative “gut” over trends and views
What happens if you hit it big and fall off?
Do views and aesthetic decide the quality of the content?
Speed VS. Quality
Gen Z doesn’t give a fuck about your status quo - the standard was never for us
How old structures like labels can hold you back in the age of viral content
Overexposure and how the industry corrects
Authenticity is king - and Gen Z can spot it better than anybody
Scandals, cancel culture, and post Me Too accountability
The pressure to be famous and always have a take
Is the next phase of the tech age no tech?
Viral content, evolving trends, and societal “correctness”
The importance of mental health and having to face our faults
How seemingly small social trends influence world events
Mentioned creators:
Idiocracy: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Loveless “Unholy” Cover: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TdKWSlEXyaI
Katie Gregson-MacLeod - complex (demo): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvbKTeuxHVI
Sam Smith “Unholy”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq9gPaIzbe8
Try Guys: https://www.youtube.com/c/tryguys
![The Table Women Ep. 33 - Hit Country Songwriter Liz Hengber](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday Sep 13, 2022
The Table Women Ep. 33 - Hit Country Songwriter Liz Hengber
Tuesday Sep 13, 2022
Tuesday Sep 13, 2022
Hit country songwriter Liz Hengber sits down with Vic and Sarah to discuss her incredible career, including:
- Lessons learned over 30+ years in Nashville
- Why it’s important to show up
- Mentorship and how it changes the game
- Lessons from waiting tables and waiting your turn
- How to stay sharp and relevant in changing times
- The career-keeping perspectives of 7 #1’s and 70+ cuts
- Why ego has no place in the writing room
- Gender, age, and new generations!
![The Table Ep.32 - Sr. Director of Creative, Creative Nation Emily Furman](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday Aug 09, 2022
The Table Ep.32 - Sr. Director of Creative, Creative Nation Emily Furman
Tuesday Aug 09, 2022
Tuesday Aug 09, 2022
Sarah and Victoria sit down with Senior Director of Creative at Creative Nation, Emily Furman to discuss:
- What it looks like to work your way up in publishing
- The internal vs. external experience as a woman in music
- Longterm jobs in a short-term industry and when to switch it up
- What it takes to build an artist career that lasts
- How farmers and assertive family prepares you to connect with people
- Advocating for yourself and creatives
- One person’s success doesn’t take away from yours
- Burnout, establishing balance in your life, and less is more
- Check your ego at the door
And so much more!
Notes:
Carnival Music: https://www.carnivalmusic.net/
Carnival’s Roster: https://www.carnivalmusic.net/music-makers
Hailey Whitters: https://haileywhitters.com/
Brent Cobb: https://www.brentcobbmusic.com/
Creative Nation: https://www.creativenationmusic.com/
Beth Laird & the team: https://www.creativenationmusic.com/team
CN’s Roster: https://www.creativenationmusic.com/clients
Lainey Wilson: https://laineywilson.com/homepage
![The Table Ep.31 - Hit Producer-Writer Alex Kline](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/image-logo/9302835/pod4_300x300.jpg)
Tuesday Jul 26, 2022
The Table Ep.31 - Hit Producer-Writer Alex Kline
Tuesday Jul 26, 2022
Tuesday Jul 26, 2022
Sarah and Victoria sit down with hit producer-writer Alex Kline to discuss:
Alex’s journey to being one of the top producers in Nashville
What actually goes into being a professional producer?
Having (and losing) a record deal and doing the “artist thing”
The differences in experience when you’re a female producer/writer
Writing with dream teams… that just happen to be all women
Label and Publishing deals - what’s the tea?
How your priorities and standards evolve with you
Seeing raw talent hidden under a rough exterior
Hit songs in the world of Covid
Advice for up-and-coming creatives
Alex’s website:
https://www.alexklinemusic.com/
Alex’s discography:
https://www.alexklinemusic.com/music
Tenille Arts: